we have budget deals, we have debt ceilings, we have campaigns and elections coming in 2014. what's to say, oops, we didn't get to the other parts of immigration, but now we have more fence and more enforcement on the board rder. >> you know, the activists have not let this go. there's this day of fasting. there are a host of, you know, sort of sit-ins and engagement with republicans who have been intransigent on the issue. this issue is not going away for them, but if, as vicky outlines, the only measures they pass are punitive ones, i think that actually stands them in worst stead with americans in general than if they were to do nothing. >> oh, i think that's abundantly clear. because the bill that democrats and immigration advocates are willing to accept at this point is one that a lot of people are having a hard time swallowing because of this, like, $30 billion to $40 billion they want to throw at militarizing the border and just turning the border. when they say border, you know, they mean dozens of miles outside of the border encompassing tens of millions of peoples'